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Being on the Other Side of the Table

Reputation

Does anyone else Google “how to answer interview questions?” Or “how to make a good first impression in an interview?” I have. Even when I am not interviewing for a job. I do this because I have often times been on the other side of the table . . .  the interviewer. I want to know which candidates are giving canned responses and what the internet is telling people will “land you the job of your dreams.”

In my past position, I interviewed numerous candidates to fill the vacancies for staff that held support functions in our office. Now, as an attorney, I have been asked to continue my role as a panel interviewer for incoming attorneys. I was blown away when they asked me to stay on in that role and I have enjoyed every minute of it.

Recently, I had the pleasure of sitting on an interview panel at my law school. During the part of the interview when the interviewer asks “so, do you have any questions for me?,” the last candidate of the day turned to me and asked:

I heard you are an alum of this law school. Can you tell me the one thing that you learned in law school that makes you successful in your job?

Without even thinking about it, I responded “protect your reputation, because you never know who will be sitting on the other side of the table.”

It’s more true than I think some new attorneys will ever have the ability to understand. I started to appreciate that fact more when I started interviewing other attorneys that I either knew of or heard of during law school.

I explained to the candidate that your reputation in the legal community starts in law school because you are sitting next to your future colleagues. People who you will work with for the rest of your career. How they know you in law school will be how they perceive you for the rest of the time you interact with them during your legal career.

I can think of two attorneys that I currently work  with as opposing counsel. I know how they played fast and loose in law school and I know they are probably flying by the seat of their pants in the cases we have together.  I can think of another currently unemployed attorney who reached out to me for a referral for a position in my office. I was very direct and explained to them that I did not know anything about their work ethic as they were rarely in class and failed to show up to our final group presentation. And for those reasons, I was not comfortable in making the referral. They probably cussed me out, deleted my email, and moved on to find the next person they could suck a referral out of. All I know is that I will never refer someone for a job in my office that I cannot personally see myself working alongside of.

So, to all of you thinking about going to law school, starting your 1L year, or even entering your 2L year, protect your reputation because you never know who will be across from you at that table when it comes time to interview for that job you really want.

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And There It Was…

… my name!

Thursday while at work I was a big ball of stress. The impending release of the bar pass names was obviously weighing on me. Getting no work done, my boss suggested I take a half day and enjoy some time with my family and relax on Friday while I waited for the bar results to be posted.

I went home, napped, made dinner, played with Little Bit and tried (unsuccessfully) to keep the thought of the results being posted out of my head. Friday was not much better. I did menial things around the house and played and napped some more. From 3:00-4:00 the hour just stalled. It was as if time stood still. LONGEST. HOUR. OF. MY. LIFE.

But then there we were. Refreshing the page where the results were to be posted. Little Bit sitting on the couch in the office with Alex and Aldo trying to weasel their way up to the couch as well. Mr. Mister was in control of the mouse-clicking, refreshing  every second and I stood behind him, knees shaking, biting my nails, waiting for the link to appear. Mr. Mister was refreshing the screen so quickly he missed it but I saw the blue hyperlink appear. I screamed “there is it! Stop! Stop! Stop! Click here.” And I pointed out to him what he had overlooked.

The attachment opened and my heart quickened. My knees started to get a little weak and suddenly the sound of Little Bit’s animal noise toys was muted from my ears and all I heard was my own pounding heartbeat. And there it was, my name.

I passed the state bar exam! I was ecstatic! Elated! Happy! I jumped up and down and hugged my husband and cried knowing that the stress of law school was behind me and I only had the joy of starting a new career in front of me.

For those starting bar prep for the July bar, put in the study time. It doesn’t have to be excessive, but it should be quality. I hope you get the same excitement I did when you see your name on a pass list.

Pass

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It’s Over!

Applause

What can I say? Surreal? Like I am in a dream? Like this isn’t happening?

TODAY WAS THE LAST DAY OF MY LAW SCHOOL CAREER!

I am feeling all sorts of emotions right now. I know I have a long road ahead of me with the bar and finding a job, but for right now, I AM ON CLOUD NINE!

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Tuesday’s Tangent

TANGENT TUESDAY

During this last semester of law school I have learned that I am a productive procrastinator. I’ll have bunch of chapters throughout a stack of books to read before the weekend ends and I will come up with a list a mile long of things that ABSOLUTELY need to get done before I start in on that homework.

This weekend that list included:

  •             Sorting through the lone sock pile to find the matches.
  •             Ridding Little Bit’s closet of clothes that no longer fit her.
  •             That resulted in me funneling more clothes into her closet that she can grow into.
  •             Reminiscing about the time when Little Bit was able to fit in those smaller clothes.
  •             Cleaning every single piece of bedding in my home.
  •             Wiping down all of the kitchen cabinets.
  •             Wiping down all of Little Bit’s toys.
  •             Doing 6 loads of laundry . . . which resulted in me having to hang and fold 6 loads of laundry.

On a happy note, my house is always fresh and clean come Monday morning. Ready for the neglect it will suffer the rest of the week.

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This Isn’t Underwater Basket Weaving

Basket

If there is one thing I was told prior to entering law school that resonated more than all the other advice was to forget everything you think you know about the law. That was spot on! Seriously, forgot everything you have ever seen on Law & Order. Disregard all of the news coverage of high profile cases.

When you want to show boat on your first day of class using an episode of The Good Wife as your reference, think again. I can’t tell you how many times a former police officer, or current paralegal, or even a law librarian turned law student have dug themselves into a hole by opening their mouths and starting with “well, I know this is X because I saw it on T.V.” Bad move! You will be shut down so quickly you may never want to speak again.

Law school courses are not easy, pass-fail classes like underwater basket weaving. This is serious stuff full of substance and nuances. So until you have done the reading and can apply what you have read to the scenarios the professor provides you, don’t open your mouth. TRUST ME!

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Tuesday’s Tangent

TANGENT TUESDAY

Texting while in class. In law school. TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE! First, you are depriving yourself of a valuable education that you are spending tens of thousands of dollars on. Second, you are being totally disrespectful. Not only are you being disrespectful to the professor who is providing a lecture they have spent time preparing for you to learn from, you are being disrespectful to your classmates who you are distracting from the lecture. You essentially are stealing their learning opportunity.

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And So It Begins

The walls have begun to close in. I recently opened up the BarBri Early Start Bar Review Course Schedule. ARE. YOU. KIDDING. ME?! How is it a slow-paced primer when you are paced to do 4-6 hours of bar prep a day while you are still in classes?! Oh my!

Not only that, I recently took the MPRE. If that test is allegedly easier than the bar then I may have a serious problem. You better believe I took the whole two hours. Even then, I was still second guessing some of my answers. Ugh, I guess the bright side is I can take it again. I should have listened to the attorney who said they though it was tougher than the bar. That fourth practice test I decided against seemed like a good idea after walking out of that auditorium.

Even more fun are the new training courses I have taken on at the office. Two a week for the month of November ON TOP OF the training of my own staff to cover my duties when I take my leave of absence for bar prep. Ugh. I hate to complain because this is what I signed up for.

And so it begins…the slew of lists and schedules to make sure all of my obligations are being met and I am making the most of my time. As an example, I am typing this while I soak in a hot bath, while I listen to state required videos on the differences of our state’s laws, while I wait for my sheets to finish in my dryer so I can make my bed and hit the hay.

I just keep telling myself “this will all be worth it!”

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Tuesday’s Tangent

TANGENT TUESDAY

Frazzled:

fraz·zle

informal
verb
adjective: frazzled; past participle: frazzled; past tense: frazzled
  1. cause to feel completely exhausted; wear out.

    I never thought I would use this word to describe myself. I have always prided myself on being organized, timely, and efficient. None of those words describe me these days. MPRE, last day of law school, finals, bar prep and then the bar are all approaching at a pace I am not able to keep up with.

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Tuesday’s Tangent

TANGENT TUESDAY

One thing I dread hearing from anyone’s mouth is “what are you going to do when you graduate?” UGH! I don’t know! This late in the game you would think I had an idea, right?!

Atleast I know what I don’t want to do; oh yeah, narrowing down my options. I want to stay away from criminal law and family law. I am too disillusioned to prosecute and too scared to defend criminals. I also don’t have the sympathy necessary to work in family law. So, with that in mind, I took a look at this list and realized I better keep on choppin’ down my list of “want not’s” to make my list of “wants.”

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A Part-Time Schedule With a Full Time Gig

As I mentioned before, I decided to attend a law school that, in addition to the traditional schedule, offered a non-traditional schedule for those students who wanted to continue to work during the semester or who had other obligations during the day that prevented them from attending classes full-time during the day. ABA rules require that a student attending law school on a full-time basis work no more than 20 hours per week during the semester. However, on a part-time schedule that ABA rule does not apply. At my school, full time is considered 13 credit hours and above (4-6 classes) and part-time was considered between 9-12 credit hours; the equivalent of 3-4 classes.

If you take the traditional route you are slated to graduate in 3 years. The non-traditional flex schedule extends the graduation date by a year (4 years total). With that extra year comes the added expense of an additional year of living expenses, book costs, school fees, and tuition. Although tuition is slightly cheaper on the part-time schedule, it still adds on an additional few thousands of dollars a year for those who choose to attend part-time.

I decided to take the part-time route for many reasons. Money was a big concern and I also carried the health insurance for my husband and I. However, one of the most appealing aspects to keeping my job and going to school was that the school I wanted to attend had a campus a block away from my work. This afforded me the added opportunity of attending student functions during the day, an easier way of meeting on campus with professors and employers, and if there was ever anything I needed to get done during the day I could just walk across the street on my lunch hour. Win-win!

One thing that I would like to stress about taking the part-time route is that IT IS NOT THE EASY ROUTE! Professor do not “take it easier on you,” you aren’t assigned less readings, and you don’t have more time to do the work since you are taking less classes. On the contrary, you are stretched thin trying to juggle work and law school; the readings, assignments, networking, student functions, to say the least, are all inevitable in law school. Try getting all that done after work and on weekends and tell me that it’s easier than solely focusing on all those aspects of law school. IT’S NOT EASY! It damn near killed me a few times. But, the more work I put into it going in, the easier it got. So, although it was hell in the beginning, it gets easier. I think this is true regardless of whether you attend full-time or part-time.

My first year schedule looked a little something like this:

6:00 a.m.- Wake up and get ready

6:30 a.m. – Head out the door and off to work

6:45 a.m. – Pick up coffee and a bagel on the way because I most likely failed to pack my breakfast and lunch the night before

7:00 a.m.- Arrive at work and get crackin’ on emails and voicemails that I missed the day before and make a to-do list (have I mentioned that I love lists?!)

11:00 a.m.- Call in a lunch order because I failed to seize the opportunity to wake up early enough to pack a lunch and I need to save as much of my lunch hour to review my notes for that night’s class
(Note: This is a good tip! Spend at least 10 minute before each class reviewing the notes you have made regarding the readings assigned for that class.)

11:15- 12:15- Lunch and studying

5:00 p.m.- Clock out and head over to school

5:10 p.m.- Grab a coffee and finish reviewing notes or get a head start on another class’s readings

6:00 p.m.- 7:30 p.m. – Class #1 and then grab a quick snack from the vending machine (ugh,the evil vending machines of law school!)

7:45-9:15 p.m.- Class #2

9:20 p.m. – Whenever I have to start re-reading what I have just read in order to retain the information- head home and get to bed. Sometimes this is 10:30 p.m. and other times I last until as late as midnight.

        Wake-up and do it all over again….at least until Friday when I didn’t have classes. Friday night was a date night with my husband and the weekends were spent tucked away completing the readings for the following week. I, personally, felt more prepared having all of the readings done for the week finished on the weekends. It allowed me to feel more prepared for class discussions, to clean up my case briefs, and to fill out my outline where I felt I needed clarification on some issues. However, I had friends who would read the cases right before class and not make any notes and they were just as successful. Sometimes I made my weekend readings a little more interesting…to each their own.

Weekend reading

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